Thursday, November 16, 2006

Alternate Canon lens hoods

This article began in July 2003 just talking about about using non-standard hoods on the Canon EF 17-40mm/4 L USM lens, but has been updated multiple times adding more and more information about alternate hoods for other Canon lenses.
It was last updated in mid-December 2006.

EF 17-40mm/4 L USM lens

EW-83D
To recap: the EW-83E hood that is standard for the EF 17-40mm lens (and the EF 16-35mm and EF-S 10-22mm) is very wide, and will not easily fit in lens pouches/etc. If you're using this lens on a 1.6x-crop-factor camera (i.e. those that take EF-S lenses, plus the older D30/D60/10D) the EW-83E does not provide adequate protection against flare. You can use different models of EW-83* hoods (designed for different lenses) to achieve a much better result. Of course, when you use the 17-40 or 16-35mm lenses on 1Ds or 5D bodies you'll need to fall back to the original EW-83E.

The original article was prompted by my discovery that the EW-83D hood (intended for the EF 24mm f/1.4 L USM) was a good fit. In fact the newer EW-83J (intended for the EF-S 17-55mm/2.8 IS USM) is even better (it has "flocking" on the inside to further cut down on reflected light, provides even more shade, and has a better grip on the bayonet mount).
For a long time I used an EW-83D, but when it was damaged in an accident in September 2006
I replaced it with an EW-83J.

Other options include the EW-83H hood (intended for the EF 24-105mm/4 L IS USM).

Using alternate hoods is not just a solution for this lens, it's also possible with others (it's mostly only wide-angle lenses that it's important for).

EF 28-135mm IS USM lens

EW-78C with 28-135mm IS
I have used the EF 28-135mm/3.5-5.6 IS USM lens since 2000 and had been aware for a long time that the default EW-78BII hood was not the optimal match for 1.6x cameras. The wear-and-tear on my EW-78BII over 5 years eventually wore it out, and it no longer kept a solid grip on the lens. So in early 2006 I replaced it with the EW-78C (designed for the EF 35mm/1.4 L USM) and have been very happy with the result!

On the right is an illustration of the differences between the hoods.
As the hood does not come included with the lens (unlike with 'L' lenses) there seems to be little excuse to not purchase the EW-78C if you're going to be using the 28-135mm IS lens with the 1.6x bodies. An alternate hood is a very cheap investment that can only help your images!

Many other lenses have similar options, and I have not been able to test them all. Thankfully other photographers have reported the results of their own testing.

In the following table, those entries with question marks have not been tested yet. If you have any updates for this table please comment on this post.

LensStandard hood1.6x (D30/etc)1.3x (1D)
EF 16-35mm f/2.8L USMEW-83EEW-83J
EW-83H
EW-83G
EW-83D
EW-83DII
EW-83H
EW-83G?
EW-83D
EW-83DII
EF 17-35mm f/2.8L USMEW-83CIIEW-83H?
EW-83D?
EW-83DII?
EW-83II?
EF 17-40mm f/4L USMEW-83EEW-83J
EW-83H
EW-83G
EW-83D
EW-83DII
EW-83J
EW-83H
EW-83G
EW-83D
EW-83DII
EF-S 17-55mm f/2.8 IS USMEW-83J
EF 20-35mm f/3.5-4.5 USMEW-83II
EF 24mm f/1.4L USMEW-83DII
EF 24-105mm f/4L IS USMEW-83HEW-83JEW-83J
EF 28mm f/2.8EW-65IIES-65
ET-65I/II
EF 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USMEW-78BIIEW-78C
EW-78II?
EW-78C
EW-78II?
EF 28-300mm f/3.5-5.6L IS USMEW-83G
EF 35mm f/1.4L USMEW-78C
EF 35-350mm f/3.5-5.6L USMEW-78II
EF 35mm f/2EW-65IIES-65
ET-65I/II
ES-65
ET-65I/II
EF 50mm f/1.8 Mk.IES-65ET-65I/IIET-65I/II

Where there's a "?" in the above table, make sure you test the hood on your lens and camera before purchasing it, to make sure that it physically fits and that there is no vignetting. Of course I can offer no guarantee that any of this will work for you: all I can do is let you know what's worked for other people. If you have any updated information please let me know so I can update this table.

18 comments:

Steven W said...

David, thanks for this info. As a new owner of a both an EF 17-40mm f/4L and a EF 24-105 f/4L i was wondering about this. In an effort to save a little money I plan to use the EW-83H from the 24-105mm on the 17-40mm and purchase a EW-83J for the 24-105mm. Is it possible for you to include some jpegs of these hoods side by side? I have been searching the internet to get some of these so I can compare the J, G, H versions. I have some of these that I could forward you.

Steve (swldstn@maine.rr.com)

Bo Lorentzen said...

David,

THANK YOU... I have been wondering if nobody else realized this. Actually I ended up printing tighter hoods for several of my lenses. and did several prototypes in 3D print. http://bophoto.typepad.com/bophoto/2009/10/proof-of-concept-crop-factor-lens-hoods.html


Bo

C said...

David,

I recently got the 17-40, and went straight out and bought the EW-83J. It's a perfect fit. And easier to carry in a pouch with the hood reversed than the original hood.
Thanks for the great tip.

Chris

msowsun said...

The ET-78 from a 135 f/2 also fits a 35mm 1.4 and does not vignette on a crop body. It is very large though and can not be reversed on the lens for storage.


The ET-62 from a 80-200mm fits well on a 35-135mm USM with no vignetting on a crop body. It can be reversed on the lens and looks like it was made for the 35-135 USM.

photo here:

http://s2.photobucket.com/upload/albums/msowsun/?location=photo+stuff%2FET-62+hood

msowsun said...

Here is another link for the 35-135 lens with a ET-62 hood:

http://s2.photobucket.com/albums/y17/msowsun/photo%20stuff/ET-62%20hood/

ben_bokinkas said...

is it possible to use other lens hood than EW-83DII on 24mm f/1.4 lens? Using full frame camera.

ben_bokinkas said...

can I use EW-83E on 24mm 1.4 lens with full frame camera?

David said...

Yes you can use the EW-83E on a 24mm/1.4, although it doesn't provide much protection against either bumps or flare.

ben_bokinkas said...

maybe someone want to sell used EW-83DII ?

ben_bokinkas said...

Ok. EW-83E is not good for 24mm 1.4 lens with full frame camera. Then maybe EW-83H is better option?

David said...

Actually the EW-83H won't fit: there's something subtly different about the bayonet fitting. I just tried for you.

I can't see much point beyond desperation anyway, as it wouldn't provide as much flare (or physical) protection as the EW-83D/83DII. They're both for "24mm", but the EW-83D series has differently-shaped petals to the H.
Try eBay, although there don't seem to be any used ones on offer at the moment.

ben_bokinkas said...

So the only alternative is EW-83E ?

ben_bokinkas said...

Maybe it is possible to modify EW-84H fitting and then use with 24mm on FF camera?

ben_bokinkas said...

i found cheap EW-83H on ebay. Is it possible to modify hood to use with 24mm f/1.4L ?

Unknown said...

Hi David,

any idea which hood to use for the EF 28mm f/1.8 USM on a 1.6x crop camera (60D)?

Thanks!

David said...

The standard hood for that is the EW-63II (also used on a couple of the 28-105mm models). The only other Canon hood I'm aware of with a 63mm mount is the EW-63B for another 28-105mm model. The B would seem to indicate that although it's the right diameter the attachment is a different bayonet design, and so I don't think it would fit. And even if it did, it doesn't look much different in shape/size. I don't think there are any ES-63 or ET-63 hoods to consider.

Go with the standard hood. It'll certainly be a lot better than no hood at all!

Unknown said...

Thanks David. I came to the same conclusion. Good to have my "research" confirmed.

ben_bokinkas said...

Can I use Canon EW-83H on 24mm 1.4L lens on full frame camera?

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